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	<title>Comments on: THE BELARUSIAN LANGUAGE IS DOOMED?</title>
	<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/</link>
	<description>Media, blogs and my personal thoughts about Belarus' elections in 2006</description>
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		<title>by: Rhiannon</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-1020</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:34:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello! I have just discovered your blog quite by accident and finding it fascinating. I lived in Minsk for a few months in 1996, when Belarusian still had more of an official status (as I'm sure you remember). As a linguist (I speak Russian but not Belarusian, I'm sorry to say), and a Welsh woman who does not have a strong grasp on my ancestral tongue, it's very interesting to me to hear about what is happening to Belarusian. (I have a live journal blog too, id is iddewes on there). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hello! I have just discovered your blog quite by accident and finding it fascinating. I lived in Minsk for a few months in 1996, when Belarusian still had more of an official status (as I&#8217;m sure you remember). As a linguist (I speak Russian but not Belarusian, I&#8217;m sorry to say), and a Welsh woman who does not have a strong grasp on my ancestral tongue, it&#8217;s very interesting to me to hear about what is happening to Belarusian. (I have a live journal blog too, id is iddewes on there).
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		<title>by: Panda Nocta</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-1015</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:41:06 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-1015</guid>
					<description>&quot;Citizenship laws never had anything to do with ethnicity.&quot;

References to &quot;Latvians and Livs&quot; in http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/untc/unpan018407.pdf refute this statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Citizenship laws never had anything to do with ethnicity.&#8221;</p>
	<p>References to &#8220;Latvians and Livs&#8221; in <a href='http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/untc/unpan018407.pdf' rel='nofollow'>http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/untc/unpan018407.pdf</a> refute this statement.
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		<title>by: endrus</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-994</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-994</guid>
					<description>Thank you a lot for a detailed comment. I agree I must have erred on some points. For instance, I must have exaggerated the scale of emigration from Latvia, and I should have taken into account that not just Latvian speakers but also Russian speakers emigrated. 

I also understand the general logic, the thinking behind the Latvian post-occupation naturalization policies. Indeed, you had had an independent ethnocentric nation before the occupants came. During the soviet occupation, a great lot of people migrated to Latvia and stayed to live in your country. Majority of them were Russian speakers, and the soviet system allowed them to live freely and avoid learning Latvian. When Latvia became independent, your government had to deal with these new Latvians in one or other way. Lithuanians granted citizenship to nearly everyone. Your government chose another way. I opine it was an errant way. Most of these immigrants had nothing to do with the soviet occupation. I deem it to be totally unfair not to grant citizenship to the families who have lived most of their lives in Latvia. It was appalling not to initially grant citizenship to the children born in such families. The whole idea of “passport of a non-citizen” is utterly discriminatory. Most of such families did not deserve the hardships and humiliation they had to go through due to the Latvian citizenship policies. 

Of course, neither your country nor mine should have been occupied in the first place. Desovietization, democratization in all our countries was bolstered with the national renaissance, growth of nationalism and the elite’s urge to buttress our titular ethnic groups by purging our countries off the occupants or, at least, integrating them into our ethnocentric societies. But the problem is that it is quite late to build strictly ethnocentric states, especially when our states are no more ethnocentric de facto. We have rolled back to the questions of ethnicity and national identity in the age of globalization II-III (the terms coined by Tom Friedman). Latvia, just as Lithuania where I now live, is part of the European Union, a sui generis case, a grand project of political integration. Latvian ethnic dominance hits the rock of the Europeanization process. 

And I agree – on the surface, the language shift you now have is toward Latvian. But in essence, the question that automatically pops up is for how long that would be? I disagree that Latvia stands a chance to grow more Latvian for too long. This may be a painful thought to consider, but the rationale of postmodernity is fastforwarding this &lt;em&gt;globalizing &lt;/em&gt;metanarrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank you a lot for a detailed comment. I agree I must have erred on some points. For instance, I must have exaggerated the scale of emigration from Latvia, and I should have taken into account that not just Latvian speakers but also Russian speakers emigrated. </p>
	<p>I also understand the general logic, the thinking behind the Latvian post-occupation naturalization policies. Indeed, you had had an independent ethnocentric nation before the occupants came. During the soviet occupation, a great lot of people migrated to Latvia and stayed to live in your country. Majority of them were Russian speakers, and the soviet system allowed them to live freely and avoid learning Latvian. When Latvia became independent, your government had to deal with these new Latvians in one or other way. Lithuanians granted citizenship to nearly everyone. Your government chose another way. I opine it was an errant way. Most of these immigrants had nothing to do with the soviet occupation. I deem it to be totally unfair not to grant citizenship to the families who have lived most of their lives in Latvia. It was appalling not to initially grant citizenship to the children born in such families. The whole idea of “passport of a non-citizen” is utterly discriminatory. Most of such families did not deserve the hardships and humiliation they had to go through due to the Latvian citizenship policies. </p>
	<p>Of course, neither your country nor mine should have been occupied in the first place. Desovietization, democratization in all our countries was bolstered with the national renaissance, growth of nationalism and the elite’s urge to buttress our titular ethnic groups by purging our countries off the occupants or, at least, integrating them into our ethnocentric societies. But the problem is that it is quite late to build strictly ethnocentric states, especially when our states are no more ethnocentric de facto. We have rolled back to the questions of ethnicity and national identity in the age of globalization II-III (the terms coined by Tom Friedman). Latvia, just as Lithuania where I now live, is part of the European Union, a sui generis case, a grand project of political integration. Latvian ethnic dominance hits the rock of the Europeanization process. </p>
	<p>And I agree – on the surface, the language shift you now have is toward Latvian. But in essence, the question that automatically pops up is for how long that would be? I disagree that Latvia stands a chance to grow more Latvian for too long. This may be a painful thought to consider, but the rationale of postmodernity is fastforwarding this <em>globalizing </em>metanarrative.
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		<title>by: Pēteris Cedriņš</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-993</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-993</guid>
					<description>Some corrections for you: you are completely in error re &quot;the leaders of new independent Latvia did not take into account that nearly half of Latvia’s population comprised of Russian speakers&quot;; I think that's exactly what the policies have taken into account. That's why we've gone from perhaps one in five non-Latvians being able to speak some Latvian to well over half being able to speak some Latvian.  

Citizenship laws never had anything to do with ethnicity. Many Russians (and other Russophones) are citizens by descent -- they received passports based on they or their parents (or grandparents) having held citizenship. 

No one was disenfranchised; those came here during the occupation &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; held Latvian citizenship. They have the opportunity to naturalize, which does indeed require learning a modicum of Latvian. About 130 000 have done so.

&quot;Now Latvia has joined the European Union, the borders opened, the new opportunities drove hundreds of thousands to the West.&quot; Hundreds of thousands? Sorry, you're on the wrong scale -- we don't have so many people! I've never seen any estimate over 100K, and most estimates are more like 50-70K recently. And those estimates include Russophones, who have been at least as likely to leave as Lettophones.

In the meantime, the linguistic environment has changed radically in favor of Latvian, and basically continues to do so. Nearly all mixed couples (and Latvia has an extremely high rate of inter-ethnic marriage) with one Latvian partner, for instance, now send their children to a Latvian-language school. Minority schools have revived -- a lot of Poles would not like to be described as &quot;Russian speakers,&quot; for example.

The softening up of the language laws was not related to the labor shortage -- it was related to law and European integration. Yes, it's quite true that Russian is still necessary for most &quot;decent&quot; jobs -- but it's also true that Latvian is also now necessary, and it wasn't before. 

All in all, language shift is definitely towards Latvian, and that will be accelerated by the education reform. 




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Some corrections for you: you are completely in error re &#8220;the leaders of new independent Latvia did not take into account that nearly half of Latvia’s population comprised of Russian speakers&#8221;; I think that&#8217;s exactly what the policies have taken into account. That&#8217;s why we&#8217;ve gone from perhaps one in five non-Latvians being able to speak some Latvian to well over half being able to speak some Latvian.  </p>
	<p>Citizenship laws never had anything to do with ethnicity. Many Russians (and other Russophones) are citizens by descent &#8212; they received passports based on they or their parents (or grandparents) having held citizenship. </p>
	<p>No one was disenfranchised; those came here during the occupation <i>never</i> held Latvian citizenship. They have the opportunity to naturalize, which does indeed require learning a modicum of Latvian. About 130 000 have done so.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Now Latvia has joined the European Union, the borders opened, the new opportunities drove hundreds of thousands to the West.&#8221; Hundreds of thousands? Sorry, you&#8217;re on the wrong scale &#8212; we don&#8217;t have so many people! I&#8217;ve never seen any estimate over 100K, and most estimates are more like 50-70K recently. And those estimates include Russophones, who have been at least as likely to leave as Lettophones.</p>
	<p>In the meantime, the linguistic environment has changed radically in favor of Latvian, and basically continues to do so. Nearly all mixed couples (and Latvia has an extremely high rate of inter-ethnic marriage) with one Latvian partner, for instance, now send their children to a Latvian-language school. Minority schools have revived &#8212; a lot of Poles would not like to be described as &#8220;Russian speakers,&#8221; for example.</p>
	<p>The softening up of the language laws was not related to the labor shortage &#8212; it was related to law and European integration. Yes, it&#8217;s quite true that Russian is still necessary for most &#8220;decent&#8221; jobs &#8212; but it&#8217;s also true that Latvian is also now necessary, and it wasn&#8217;t before. </p>
	<p>All in all, language shift is definitely towards Latvian, and that will be accelerated by the education reform.
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		<title>by: Pēteris Cedriņš</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-992</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-992</guid>
					<description>Very interesting post, thank you! I had the good fortune to know the late Uladzimir Katkouski virtually. The points of contact in Belarusian and Latvian history and aspirations are fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Very interesting post, thank you! I had the good fortune to know the late Uladzimir Katkouski virtually. The points of contact in Belarusian and Latvian history and aspirations are fascinating.
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		<title>by: Remind Myself</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-989</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:13:43 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-989</guid>
					<description>remindmyselfinstock.blogspot.com

Recent sub prime issues nearly caused insurance company to bankrupt......

Who fault?

The top management of the listed company salary should be tied a portion of it to the shares.... so when the shares price drop, it don't just penalise the investors, but those who don't take care of the company.....

Since the U S is going to have president election, should they bring this out as a topic for discussion?</description>
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	<p>Recent sub prime issues nearly caused insurance company to bankrupt&#8230;&#8230;</p>
	<p>Who fault?</p>
	<p>The top management of the listed company salary should be tied a portion of it to the shares&#8230;. so when the shares price drop, it don&#8217;t just penalise the investors, but those who don&#8217;t take care of the company&#8230;..</p>
	<p>Since the U S is going to have president election, should they bring this out as a topic for discussion?
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-988</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:04:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-988</guid>
					<description>Yes, you are right. Democratic Belarus - first. But I quite disagree that the Belarusian language will prosper when Belarus becomes a more open society. It won't prosper unless it is directly supported by the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, you are right. Democratic Belarus - first. But I quite disagree that the Belarusian language will prosper when Belarus becomes a more open society. It won&#8217;t prosper unless it is directly supported by the state.
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		<title>by: Free Belarus</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-987</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:39:14 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-987</guid>
					<description>Nice article with a very good question: &quot;What does the future hold for the Belarusian language in Belarus 2008?&quot;.
And the answer to the question is simple. In democratic european Belarus the language and people will prosper.
In undemocratic pro-Russian Belarus the language will disappear along with the people's prosperity.

And at present time when 9 million of people of Belarus are speaking Russian it is very short-sighted and unwise to use Belarusian during elections by the opposition and by the foreign-funded electronic media.

What is deadly harmful in Belarus 2008 is not Trasianka 
but dictatorial regime speaking on it.

Democratic Belarus - First! Belarusian language - Second!
Otherwise it definitely will be doomed ...

http://www.squidoo.com/FreeBelarus

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice article with a very good question: &#8220;What does the future hold for the Belarusian language in Belarus 2008?&#8221;.<br />
And the answer to the question is simple. In democratic european Belarus the language and people will prosper.<br />
In undemocratic pro-Russian Belarus the language will disappear along with the people&#8217;s prosperity.</p>
	<p>And at present time when 9 million of people of Belarus are speaking Russian it is very short-sighted and unwise to use Belarusian during elections by the opposition and by the foreign-funded electronic media.</p>
	<p>What is deadly harmful in Belarus 2008 is not Trasianka<br />
but dictatorial regime speaking on it.</p>
	<p>Democratic Belarus - First! Belarusian language - Second!<br />
Otherwise it definitely will be doomed &#8230;</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.squidoo.com/FreeBelarus' rel='nofollow'>http://www.squidoo.com/FreeBelarus</a>
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		<title>by: BiB</title>
		<link>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-986</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:28:25 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://belarus.blogsome.com/2008/09/05/the-belarusian-language-is-doomed/#comment-986</guid>
					<description>Thank you. A wonderfully interesting post. And just the sort of thing that us foreigners interested in Belarus and its culture want to know about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank you. A wonderfully interesting post. And just the sort of thing that us foreigners interested in Belarus and its culture want to know about.
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